Posts by JW Ben

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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation

by DannyHaszard in

jehovah's loses comp case

church may be forced to pay millions

by jess wisloski.

JW Ben

Hello Sunspot (Annie)

You posted the info below..

You can't seriously think that the "Watchtower" would have a snowball's chance in Tahiti unless the JWs had someone (something?) to guide their every step, now do you?

We JWs use the Bible as our guide not the WTBTS

They can't even go from month to month without being told what publications to rehearse for placement, or what talks to prepare for, etc, etc.

We can and do present any info we want the material that is presented at the Service Meeting are suggestions not "have toos"

The info on what talks to prepare is that i can go to any meeting anywhere in the world and prepare for them. How the material is put together dependes on the speaker.

JWs can barely change their WTS-approved undies in harmony with what they are told to.....unless they are "following orders" on any given day.

It is truely amazing as to how much rubbish people here write. We do not follow orders in the way you make it sound. you make it sound as if we have no free choice. What rubbish. I would not change for the slavery of the world. I am free.

If and when the WTS walls come tumbling down....the best that can be hoped for would be splinter groups all out doing their own thang and ALL claiming to be THE "offishul" new JWs!

Nope I do not think so. Ther moght be a few but tby far the majority would remain as we are, declaring the "good news of Gods Kingdom" By suggesting such a thing you really do not know JWs very well.

AULD SOUL I stop answering questions when people become rude

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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation

by DannyHaszard in

jehovah's loses comp case

church may be forced to pay millions

by jess wisloski.

JW Ben

For the last 10 years I have volunteered at the local primary school helping in the class room and working with children in small groups for up to 20 hours a week. I also serve on the schools governing council and finance committe. transport chilfren in my van to various excurtions and have been on many school camps.

If I were to get injured in any way doing this volunteer work I would not sue the school for compensation, and I do not know of any of the volunteers that put in time at the school doing so either.

Here in Australia hundreds of thousands of people volunteer in all sort ways in the community. It is part of the Aust way. many social based operations would not work without volunteers. That includes our volunteer fire fighters in the country arears. Many have did from fighting fires.

That is the nature of volunteer work. You do not expect anything in return, and do so at your own expence and risk.

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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation

by DannyHaszard in

jehovah's loses comp case

church may be forced to pay millions

by jess wisloski.

JW Ben

I agree that for WC law that some people would be consideres employees this is true here in Astalia, As a tax accountant i can say that for here the definition of an employee is any one that does work for someone else where 80% of that work is done for one person "employer" and the "employer" sets starting and finishibng times and dictates what work has to be done by what time.

But still the Uptons went into a situation that they were aware of the "volunteer work" comditions and signed an agreement. They received $79000. For me that just shows their greed for more money.

Someone said that the WTS was a "business doing buisness". This is true to a certain extent but not true as a cmomercial operation. It is non profit as no share holder ever receives a dividend. There is no income from having shares in the Corperation. So no one profits after taxes are paid. The WTS as a legal entity may have an lot of money, but the money is not used to line someones pockets. It is used for religous purposes, whether it be printing their material, building KH in poor countries, doing relief work in destater areas.

I do think if NY laws are anything like Aust WC laws the legal entity should have been fined for not complying with state laws, if the state laws do stipulate that the relationship was indeed an emploer employee one.

The Uptons shopuld have been content with thir payout

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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation

by DannyHaszard in

jehovah's loses comp case

church may be forced to pay millions

by jess wisloski.

JW Ben

Personaly i do not think that person is entitles to any more money that she already has. When she went to Bethal she knew full well the terms of what to expect. She hadf an agreement with them a contract for here services.

She was not doing any "Bethal Work" at the time as she was trying to catch a bus.

The Watchtower Society as a orporation may go down bu Jehovahs Witnesses will never disapear. They are here to stay.

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Notice what the society Admits

by skyman in

insight on the scriptures vol 1 pages 345, paragraph 6 at deuteronomy 14:21 allowances was made for selling to an alien resident or a foreigner an animal that had died of itself or that had been torn by a beast.

thus a distinction was made between the blood of such animals and that of animals that a person slaughtered for food.

{compare le 17:14-16} the israelites, as well as alien residents who took up true worship and came under the law covenant, were obligated to live up to the lofty requirements of that law.

JW Ben

I am fully aware of the nature of this site. I come here to present a balancing view for those that are not sure what to do. Many of the things I read here are so full of rubish it is not funny. The tragedy is that it is mostlt presented in a belivable manner.

I am fully awaer of all the scandles that are spoken of here. I see people taking a human point of view and not a spiritual point of view. No one here seems to be able to look above the human factor, the Bible is full of accounts of men with Gods favour doing horable things, conspirecy to murder, fornication, neglecting each other, missunderstanding the words of Jesus and pronouncing a "false prophecy" (see the last chpter of John... Peter starts a false prophecy that went out to all the congos. because he did not understand what Jesus had said) cauising devisions in congregations (again Peter was involved in this) lack of love to the apostle Paul by the theselonians. Alll these things are written for our instruction. We should expect things not to go without problems in Gods Organisation (what ever group one thinks that is).

Most at this site once thought it was JWs but became too obsessed with the organisation and its mistakes. I have NEVER put the org first, I put Giod first and look at things the way he would see things.

He has always used an organisation al the way throiugh history. Most here once belived that JWs were that org. Now they do not and put their slant of waht they percive to be truth. I come here to put a balacing slant on the arguments fo the benefit of those that do not know which way to go.

Yes I have been misstreated by elders and I blame those elders for not following instructions not JWs as a group.

The group of people collectively known as JWs are the only ones doing the will of God in our day and age.

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Notice what the society Admits

by skyman in

insight on the scriptures vol 1 pages 345, paragraph 6 at deuteronomy 14:21 allowances was made for selling to an alien resident or a foreigner an animal that had died of itself or that had been torn by a beast.

thus a distinction was made between the blood of such animals and that of animals that a person slaughtered for food.

{compare le 17:14-16} the israelites, as well as alien residents who took up true worship and came under the law covenant, were obligated to live up to the lofty requirements of that law.

JW Ben

I agree that the law given to Noah was for mankind. Noah and his imidiate family followed the laws of Jehovah. The Israelites were under an extended law code as passed on through Moses. The law code of Moses was abolished at the death of the Christ. The law given to Noah is still in force. When one wants to submit to the Law of God and of his Christ one has to accept all such laws that Jehoavh dictates for us to keep, abstanace from blood was one, just as not to murder is another. In the time of the Israelites the law on blood was enforced on those that were born into (or under) the law covenment. What unbelivers accepted or did not accept was their problem. If a none Israelite ate of the flesh of an unbled animal that was betwen then and God. It would appear that the non Israltes nations may not have been familiar with the law s given to Noah. The Israelites were in a different situation. As a nation they were "Gods chosen ones" Being born an Israelite meant that they were under law, it was not a choice to make and still be considered an Israelite (at leaset while the nation were doing what is right)foreigner that became converted to the ways of Jehovah had to then conform to all of Gods ways. The nation at times became extremely apostate and God saw to it they wer punushed (only after givuing them opportunities to turn around)He did not punish with out warning. If an Israelite gave (or sold) unbled meat to a non believing forigner that did not go against the law. If that non beliver ate that meat (which the Israelite possibly knew they would) does not put the blame on the Israelite. The non believer ate of his own fee will. Jesus was the fullfilment of the law code as no human could keep it perfectly. The fact that Paul refers back to the blood issue tells me that Jehovahs view on blood for his name people had not changed. Jehoavh often allowed certain befavoiu to happen even though he did not agree with it. e.e. many Israelitres had more that one wife. It was not his intentin for that situation to excist. Jesus chrytalised it when he said that a man should have only one wife. The no blood law was given to Noah but enforced only on those that by birth (The Israelites) or willingly (converts from the nations) that took on his name. So Yes I do think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill by that quote. You have read more into it than is there.

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Notice what the society Admits

by skyman in

insight on the scriptures vol 1 pages 345, paragraph 6 at deuteronomy 14:21 allowances was made for selling to an alien resident or a foreigner an animal that had died of itself or that had been torn by a beast.

thus a distinction was made between the blood of such animals and that of animals that a person slaughtered for food.

{compare le 17:14-16} the israelites, as well as alien residents who took up true worship and came under the law covenant, were obligated to live up to the lofty requirements of that law.

JW Ben

No I mean the law code of the christ

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thinking of having a bible study

by Ellie in

jw
friends

what do you think would happen if someone where to have a bible study with the sole purpose of asking lots of awkward questions just to get the reaction of the witnesses?

JW Ben

As a JW I would study with any person using only the Bible (several versions) and Hebrew and Greek Lexicons. Using this method i wouild prove all major JW teachings are strickly from the Bible eg no trinity, no hellfire, no imortal soul, the reserectiion, why Jesus came to earth, why God permits the trouble we see today, what Gods purpose is for the earth, etc

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Notice what the society Admits

by skyman in

insight on the scriptures vol 1 pages 345, paragraph 6 at deuteronomy 14:21 allowances was made for selling to an alien resident or a foreigner an animal that had died of itself or that had been torn by a beast.

thus a distinction was made between the blood of such animals and that of animals that a person slaughtered for food.

{compare le 17:14-16} the israelites, as well as alien residents who took up true worship and came under the law covenant, were obligated to live up to the lofty requirements of that law.

JW Ben

Personally after reading the little bit of the qoute from the Insight book, that the poster has read too much into the words he presented. The first part says that it was OK to seel unbled meat "to an alien resident or a foreigner" refers to none beliving alien residents. Read on. the portion directly after the scripture says "the Israelites, as well as alien residents WHO TOOK UP TRUE WORHIP and came under the Law covenant" (CAPITALS MINE) shows that once an alien resident decided to follow the ways of the Jews he had to abide by all the laws of the Jews including the none eating of unbled animals. His assumption ....."The Society clearly states that most of us are only observers that take a hold of the skirt of the JEW. So with their own word they admit that we are not Anointed Isrealites under the lofty law on blood up we are the the foreigners who had to eat the blood filled meat.".... is incorrect. None anointed JWs are more than "an alien resident or a foreigner" They have attached themselve to the ways of the "spiritual Jew" and just as the alien resident that become a "beliver" had to abey the moral and legal laws of israel. anyone wanting to be a follower of Christ must also come under the legal and moeal law code of the Christ.

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Smoking and JWS

by gringojj in

JW Ben

JWs can de DF'd for gluttony if they stuff their bodies with to musch food or abuse caffene to the point of addiction (hard to prove though)